# X也X不得，Y也Y不得 Grammar Guide | HSK 5 Fixed Phrases | HSKReady Canonical: https://hskready.app/en/grammar/hsk-5-fixed-phrases-45537f17a8 Language: en Content ID: web-grammar-hsk-5-fixed-phrases-45537f17a8 HSK levels: 5 Updated: 2026-10-23T04:56:47.758Z Scope: published website educational content; full vocabulary, question bank and mock exams remain in the app. Learn how to use the Chinese fixed phrase X也X不得，Y也Y不得 to express dilemmas where neither of two actions is advisable or possible. Grammar [HSK 5 · Fixed patterns](https://hskready.app/en/grammar/hsk-5#hsk-5-g032) # HSK 5 Fixed Phrase: X也X不得，Y也Y不得 The fixed phrase X也X不得，Y也Y不得 expresses a dilemma in which neither action X nor action Y is acceptable, advisable, or physically manageable. Listed under Level 5 fixed phrases in the HSK syllabus outline, it typically pairs two related or contrasting monosyllabic verbs to highlight helplessness or restriction. Verb X 也 Verb X 不得， Verb Y 也 Verb Y 不得 Example sentence 这孩子太敏感了，打也打不得，骂也骂不得，真让人头疼。 Zhè háizi tài mǐngǎn le, dǎ yě dǎ bu de, mà yě mà bu de, zhēn ràng rén tóuténg. This child is very sensitive; you cannot hit or scold them—it really gives people a headache. Shows emotional or interpersonal restriction where neither disciplinary action is advisable. **Read the full explanation and examples** ## Core Meaning and Syllabus Scope In the 2025-11 edition of the HSK examination syllabus outline, X也X不得，Y也Y不得 is categorized as a Level 5 fixed phrase (固定短语). Note that while this reflects the supplied outline scope, actual test papers at a given test center may follow a different syllabus version. This pattern describes a predicament where a person is caught between two options and finds that neither action can or should be taken. The complement 不得 following a verb indicates that an action is either inadvisable (because it would cause bad consequences or violate social and emotional norms) or practically impossible under the circumstances. By repeating the verb around 也 in two parallel halves, the speaker emphasizes feeling completely stuck. 这孩子太敏感了，打也打不得，骂也骂不得，真让人头疼。 Zhè háizi tài mǐngǎn le, dǎ yě dǎ bu de, mà yě mà bu de, zhēn ràng rén tóuténg. This child is very sensitive; you cannot hit or scold them—it really gives people a headache. Shows emotional or interpersonal restriction where neither disciplinary action is advisable. ## Structure and Verb Selection Verb X 也 Verb X 不得， Verb Y 也 Verb Y 不得 Short verbs such as 扔 and 卖 make the parallel pattern easy to follow. In the basic frame, repeat X within the first half and Y within the second. The two actions should be relevant alternatives, but need not exhaust every possible response. Longer verbs can occur too; word choice and context matter more than an absolute syllable ban. - Opposing actions or directions: 进 (enter/advance) and 退 (retreat), 留 (stay/keep) and 走 (leave). - Related ways of handling an object or person: 打 (hit) and 骂 (scold), 扔 (throw away) and 卖 (sell), 吃 (eat) and 喝 (drink). - Basic physical postures or states: 站 (stand) and 坐 (sit), 哭 (cry) and 笑 (laugh). 这件旧家具是外婆留下的，扔也扔不得，卖也卖不得，只能先收在仓库里。 Zhè jiàn jiù jiājù shì wàipó liúxià de, rēng yě rēng bu de, mài yě mài bu de, zhǐ néng xiān shōu zài cāngkù lǐ. This piece of old furniture was left by Grandma; we cannot throw it away and we cannot sell it, so we can only store it in the warehouse for now. Illustrates a dilemma over how to handle an object with sentimental value. ## Natural Usage Contexts One useful reading is that neither action is acceptable or bearable for the person concerned. In the furniture example, sentimental value makes discarding or selling difficult. Interpret the limitation from the speaker’s situation rather than assuming every such sentence states an objective social taboo. The second situation involves physical or environmental constraints where neither movement nor posture is bearable or possible, such as an injury that makes both standing and sitting painful, or a blocked road where a vehicle can neither move forward nor reverse. 我的腰刚做完手术，站也站不得，坐也坐不得，只能整天躺在床上。 Wǒ de yāo gāng zuòwán shǒushù, zhàn yě zhàn bu de, zuò yě zuò bu de, zhǐ néng zhěng tiān tǎng zài chuáng shang. I just had surgery on my lower back; I can neither stand nor sit, so I can only lie in bed all day. Shows physical restriction where neither posture is bearable. 车子被堵在狭窄的山路上，进也进不得，退也退不得。 Chēzi bèi dǔ zài xiázhǎi de shānlù shang, jìn yě jìn bu de, tuì yě tuì bu de. The car was stuck on the narrow mountain road, unable to move forward or backward. Pairs two opposing directional verbs (进 and 退) to describe a physical deadlock. ## Useful Contrasts and Common Mistakes 不得 in this pattern can express an action that is inadvisable, emotionally difficult or impossible in the circumstances. 不了 can also concern limits or tolerance, not just failure to finish. Compare the intended reason in context: 扔不得 may suggest that one cannot bear to discard an heirloom, while 搬不了 may highlight inability to move it. These are useful tendencies rather than two non-overlapping categories. The document examples compare a fuller wording with a compact one. 丢弃 and 销毁 can be repeated in full, while 丢 and 毁 give a shorter parallel version. Do not shorten 销毁 to 销 merely to meet a supposed syllable rule; that can obscure the intended action. 那份秘密文件太重要了，丢弃也丢弃不得，销毁也销毁不得。 Nà fèn mìmì wénjiàn tài zhòngyào le, diūqì yě diūqì bu de, xiāohuǐ yě xiāohuǐ bu de. That confidential document is too important; it can neither be discarded nor destroyed. Repeats the full two-syllable verbs. This is heavier than the compact version, but a two-syllable verb is not automatically ungrammatical in this parallel frame. 那份秘密文件太重要了，丢也丢不得，毁也毁不得。 Nà fèn mìmì wénjiàn tài zhòngyào le, diū yě diū bu de, huǐ yě huǐ bu de. That confidential document is too important; you cannot throw it away and you cannot destroy it. 丢 and 毁 give a compact version of discarding and destroying, keeping the same document and restriction. For a clear first model, repeat short matching verbs and keep the two evaluated actions parallel. When using a longer verb, preserve the intended meaning and a readable rhythm. ## Frequently asked questions **How is 得 pronounced in X也X不得，Y也Y不得?** Here 得 is the light complement reading de, not the modal děi meaning “must.” The lesson writes 打也打不得 as dǎ yě dǎ bu de. Distinguish this post-verbal pattern from the pre-verbal prohibition 不得入内, usually written bùdé rùnèi. **Can X and Y be adjectives instead of verbs?** The examples focus on action and posture verbs. Gradable states can also be restricted in related expressions, such as 急不得 or 慢不得. Learn natural combinations in context; these possibilities are not a license to insert any adjective mechanically. **Source**[hsk.cn-bj.ufileos.com · PDF page 398](https://hsk.cn-bj.ufileos.com/3.0/%E6%96%B0%E7%89%88HSK%E8%80%83%E8%AF%95%E5%A4%A7%E7%BA%B21219.pdf#page=398) ## Continue in the app Full mock exams are available in HSKReady. [![Download on the App Store](https://hskready.app/download-on-app-store-black.svg)Download on the App Store](https://apps.apple.com/us/app/id6791916440?l=en)[![Get it on Google Play](https://hskready.app/get-it-on-google-play.svg)Get it on Google Play](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.curiolab.hskready&hl=en) [HSKReady App](https://hskready.app/en/app)